How are we going to make millions with this record label if you start humanizing the artists?
And what will rappers do when they have one less thing to complain about; that is, when record labels start to do business like Christ would do business?
Anyways... I'm of the hope that this is what illect will be all about. Honest to God, and to the one's He's gifted.
Going broke is another post altogether. ;)
-j
allstar
· 6 years ago
thanks for the encouragement ;) that's definitely a goal -- leaving artists with no excuses, so they can get out and hustle to get their stuff heard!
j.
djp72
· 6 years ago
yo yo... there's that "illect" thing again....
what's going on??
josh
· 6 years ago
word on the millions. Its all about those fat stacks. Yeah, no more complaining... man, itll be quiet out there.
jonmadison
· 6 years ago
djp, you will learn, soon :D
in the meantime, send us mark 1's CD!
j.
Joelb
· 6 years ago
If you run a business like Christ would - EVERYTHING is given away for free, right? - Even at great personal sacrifice. Gonna be tough man.
Joy
· 6 years ago
I'm not sure that running a Christ centered business means giving everything away for free. That's the "christian" way, "yo dude, we're brothers in christ right? Gimmee a hookup" There is a precedent of people working for their "keep," take Paul for example, who made a point to keep a business going to be able to not be a burden to the churches he was ministering at. God asks us to give him 10% of our earnings, meaning we are doing something to "earn" money, good, etc. What do you guys think a christ centered business should entail?
jonmadison
· 6 years ago
actually yeah, if we ran a *business* (business is the operative term here) like Christ would, i doubt he'd give away everything for free...i think that's where folk get it twisted sometimes, like joy mentions above with the "hookup" thing.
He was a carpenter, and i can only speculate, but his services were probably pay-based :).
on the real though, we're just trying to live out life christ-centered, our "record label business" should reflect this--so the goal isn't necessarily to run a "christ centered business" -- that should be the case *anyway* -- we just want to live christ-centered lives, and that will effect our business dealings--i.e. they're fair and compassionate.
jonmadison
· 6 years ago
and what's this "would" stuff--i have to correct myself--He still *is* here, so you will witness as we attempt to follow his lead properly in being stewards of our joint. :D
j.
Joelb
· 6 years ago
troo
Just one point - I don't think Jesus charged for anything during his ministry.
Believe me, I'm all for earning my keep and not being a burden - on society, the church or anyone else. I'm not sure that a production company can exist successfully in a cut-throat biz like musik w/o being willing to make hard ethical choices. Swimmin' with sharks is dangerous unless you're a shark...
Just know, we're backin' your play, whatever it is - don't hesitate to hit us up for anything.
Joelb
· 6 years ago
the *would* stuff was on the business point. Christ aint runnin' no business - unless you call the church a business (some might)
Oh yeah, on the Christ-like business tip - You might get up with Jeff to talk about successful Christian business men - he may have some good insights
jonmadison
· 6 years ago
--- Just one point - I don't think Jesus charged for anything during his ministry. ---
exaaactly -- and that's one point to note, and you'll want to just have a conversation with me on. i, for one, don't lean towards "music as ministry". music is entertainment. at least the music that we plan on exploiting (such a loaded word! but i mean it in its plainest sense).
so in that vein, we fully expect to be remunerated for our services of entertaining hip hop fans :D
good point on the "Jeff" tip -- good resource.
j.
joy
· 6 years ago
I'm going back to the "hook-up" issue. I'm tired of Christians wanting the hook-up. Pay my crew for the work, or the entertainment that they are providing.
Joelb
· 6 years ago
word - We'll talk about that 1on1.
entertainment vs. ministry - I like it ;)
ya' know - K'Slicka told me the christian punk scene was gonna be his ministry... I think it's freakin' kool how much that kid has grown
Most christians have developed how to think from theology books. Few have actually formed opinions based on personal reflection and study of God's word. So what results is the socialist philosophy that makes so many of them parasites. Hinting around friends about their needs or what they lack until someone feels sorry for them and gives them something for nothing. Then they run around sharing how The lord provides. The bible gives us the basics for healthy captalism. A command not to steal tells us that God recognises an individuals exclusive rights to property. i personaly find that most christians when doing any kind of work actually think they can put in minimum effort and be greatly rewarded. It's a fantasy i tell you. Get off you butt, find out what is needed from a business perspective, then if as long as you don't have to cross any lines you know you shouldn't go hard at it. Also the reality is that God wants most christian musicians ministering in the church he has placed them. A pretty horrible thought for those who want a career. Lastly while on the thought of christians living in a fantasy world. Stop trying to market yourself to a small pond hoping that the heavens will open and it will all work out. In this day and age you should be aiming to get noticed in the biggest markets in the world. Oh yeah, not realistic huh? Too hard. If you don't aim to go big perhaps you should just go home.
jon
· 5 years ago
Hoon Buster---why didn't i ever respond to this earlier. you make some really really good points.
I'm digging all your points--particularly the following which is hard to swallow for many who want to "make it":
Also the reality is that God wants most christian musicians ministering in the church he has placed them. A pretty horrible thought for those who want a career.
one of the foundations of Christ's church is relationship, something that, at least here in the USA, is something that is longed for deeply, but not necessarilly pursured wholeheartedly.
I want to touch on the other points as well, when i can.
All Comments
Shut your trap.
How are we going to make millions with this record label if you start humanizing the artists?
And what will rappers do when they have one less thing to complain about; that is, when record labels start to do business like Christ would do business?
Anyways... I'm of the hope that this is what illect will be all about. Honest to God, and to the one's He's gifted.
Going broke is another post altogether. ;)
-j
j.
there's that "illect" thing again....
what's going on??
in the meantime, send us mark 1's CD!
j.
He was a carpenter, and i can only speculate, but his services were probably pay-based :).
on the real though, we're just trying to live out life christ-centered, our "record label business" should reflect this--so the goal isn't necessarily to run a "christ centered business" -- that should be the case *anyway* -- we just want to live christ-centered lives, and that will effect our business dealings--i.e. they're fair and compassionate.
j.
Just one point - I don't think Jesus charged for anything during his ministry.
Believe me, I'm all for earning my keep and not being a burden - on society, the church or anyone else. I'm not sure that a production company can exist successfully in a cut-throat biz like musik w/o being willing to make hard ethical choices. Swimmin' with sharks is dangerous unless you're a shark...
Just know, we're backin' your play, whatever it is - don't hesitate to hit us up for anything.
Oh yeah, on the Christ-like business tip - You might get up with Jeff to talk about successful Christian business men - he may have some good insights
Just one point - I don't think Jesus charged for anything during his ministry.
---
exaaactly -- and that's one point to note, and you'll want to just have a conversation with me on. i, for one, don't lean towards "music as ministry". music is entertainment. at least the music that we plan on exploiting (such a loaded word! but i mean it in its plainest sense).
so in that vein, we fully expect to be remunerated for our services of entertaining hip hop fans :D
good point on the "Jeff" tip -- good resource.
j.
entertainment vs. ministry - I like it ;)
ya' know - K'Slicka told me the christian punk scene was gonna be his ministry... I think it's freakin' kool how much that kid has grown
The bible gives us the basics for healthy captalism. A command not to steal tells us that God recognises an individuals exclusive rights to property. i personaly find that most christians when doing any kind of work actually think they can put in minimum effort and be greatly rewarded. It's a fantasy i tell you. Get off you butt, find out what is needed from a business perspective, then if as long as you don't have to cross any lines you know you shouldn't go hard at it.
Also the reality is that God wants most christian musicians ministering in the church he has placed them. A pretty horrible thought for those who want a career.
Lastly while on the thought of christians living in a fantasy world. Stop trying to market yourself to a small pond hoping that the heavens will open and it will all work out. In this day and age you should be aiming to get noticed in the biggest markets in the world. Oh yeah, not realistic huh? Too hard. If you don't aim to go big perhaps you should just go home.
I'm digging all your points--particularly the following which is hard to swallow for many who want to "make it":
one of the foundations of Christ's church is relationship, something that, at least here in the USA, is something that is longed for deeply, but not necessarilly pursured wholeheartedly.
I want to touch on the other points as well, when i can.